11. Why Not You? - Wyatt Goshorn

Today's episode is with Wyatt Goshorn. Wyatt is an ultra-marathon runner, and through his running career, he has learned a lot about running and about life. Along with being a runner, Wyatt is a writer, and he is soon to be launching his own magazine, Grit Life Magazine. This episode is something you don’t want to miss. If you are somebody who loves exercise, to run to push your limits in life, this episode is for you. If you want to learn more about Grit Life Magazine or if you want to be coached by Wyatt in the future, you can visit wyattgoshorn.com. I hope this adds value to your life. wyattgoshorn.com

The funny thing is, I often like to get up at the 03:00 hour and go for a run, especially if it's a clear sky. Stars are out. It's amazing. It's a magical time in the morning. The things thing about getting up like that is it's your reminder to yourself that you're working towards something and through doing that, you get the chance to tell yourself, Well, I'm going to do something great today and it kind of goes into what I this little tagline or slogan, so to speak, for the grit life that I've worked and actually came up with on a run as well. Why not? You believe that you're doing something, you're getting out there and creating a better world, a better future for yourself. Give yourself the opportunity as opposed to seeing like for a challenge. See it for what all it could be. Hello, listeners of the Simply Overcoming podcast. Welcome back. It's Aaron written hour once again before we jump into today's episode, I just wanted to give you a little context today. I'm having a conversation with Wyatt Goshorn, and he is an ultra marathon runner, and through his running career, he has learned a lot about running and about life, along with being an alter marathon runner. Wyatt is a writer and he is soon to be launching his own magazine, Gritlife magazine. He'll be talking to us more about that in detail in this episode. If you want to learn more about Gritlife magazine or if you want to be coached by Wyatt in the future, you can visit wyattgashorn. Com. The link will be in the description. Visit his website and you can learn more about Wyatt and the services that he offers. This episode is something that you don't want to miss. If you are somebody who loves to exercise, to run, to push your limits in life, this episode is for you, and I hope this adds value to your life. Today. I have a very special guest on the podcast, somebody that I look up to in the running world. Wyatt, how are you doing today? I'm doing good. How are you? I'm good. I just have to say the first time I met Wyatt was I went into Fleet Feet to look for some shoes for an event that I was doing called The Everest Challenge, where I was climbing the equivalent elevation of Mt. Everest from sea level and back again to raise money for a nonprofit in Corda Lane. And that's the first time we met, right, Wyatt? Yeah, I do remember that day you coming in and looking for shoes. Listen, I didn't know a whole lot about shoes to this day. There's still some things you taught me in the store that I do. But I noticed right away your passion for running and for your expertise in shoes. And so that was really cool to see. I see that you have a passion for what you do. Thank you. And then while the average challenge event was going on, you showed up. I don't know, maybe mile 30 of the event, and you taped up my knees, which I'd never done before. And then you did a rep with me. So that was really cool. Yeah, I think I went one whole lap with you and then most of another one. But, yeah, I was making sure your knee wasn't going to get any more hurt. I mean, it kind of worked, I think. Yeah. No, the tape really helped. And yeah, you broke off and went way faster than me as soon as you finished that first rep with me. But I've been taking a look at your website and you have accomplished quite a few runs. I didn't realize that you had accomplished. I'm seeing here that you've done. You've done quite a few trail runs. You've won some marathons. Now are those marathons that you've run? Is that in your age group? Is that how it works? So the first one I did in my age group, I've only won one marathon, and it was kind of right after a certain race I did. I came back pretty strong and just luck happened to line up, and I did a really good performance, and I won the ready marathon, which is the one marathon I've ran quite a few times. I think I've run it a few times, but in 2017 was the year I finally did accomplish the victory. That's so awesome. That's awesome. So what got you into running, Wyatt? Was it somebody in your life at some point, did you just hit the ground running from day one when you were born? Like what got you into running and made you as passionate as you are about it. So it could be both. According to my family, I might have hit the ground running because the story has it. I was doing lapse around the house and we had a big property of ten acres, so I would love to explore that. But, yeah, it was kind of what got me into running was a dream, more or less. I wanted to, like most people, they have some inspiration. I saw the Olympic marathon at one time, and though my goal was never to hit that, it really impressed me. So it took me two years to finally get to the marathon, and when I did, it was pretty nice. But I've always been a challenge mentality to where I wasn't always goal setting. I was more like challenging myself. And that's kind of what led me to the marathon and then eventually beyond it. So you have always gravitated towards running in your life? Yeah. None of my family was into running, although my grandpa, he is a century cyclist and has been for a while. He's even done a couple of double centuries, and most of them have been in the last 30 years. So he's getting up there in age, but he still rides a ton. So, yeah, he's the only one that did anything close to what I do these days is cycling something that you do as well, or is the running really your passion? I do enjoy cycling, but I have completely not done it just so I could focus on running because that's what I really enjoy. I feel a lot safer in the mountains on feet than on wheels, and I can go more places running. That's true. You can go a lot more places running. Well, you and I both share a similar passion, and that passion. I have a strong passion for helping people learn how to control their mindset in life, I feel like having a good mindset in life is huge, and we don't talk about it enough in our society today, we live in a society where if you feel like it, you do it. We're a society of feelings. And so I want people to realize that they can change their destiny in life. They can change where they're going in life through cultivating a positive mental attitude, changing their mindset and creating a discipline in their life to achieve the goals that they desire to achieve. And so talk to me a little bit about discipline, what discipline means to you and the importance of discipline in your life as an ultra marathon runner. So a lot of times the running side has been affected by how I kind of grew up. I was always hard work pays off, and I'm not one to skip out. In fact, I really enjoy it. It's always good to have a very positive mindset when going into things throughout my running career. One thing that really changed mentally for me, going from the marathon, the quote, unquote shorter distances to the longer stuff was just the belief that I could do it in my first two. The second one was when I finally broke that barrier to where it's like, I have nothing, no reason to stop even though my mind wanted me to stop. So I just kept going. And eventually, as long as you keep moving, you get stronger and your mind gets stronger and you realize how much you can do after that. But, yeah, you have to be disciplined. You have to keep moving. And as long as you put your mind to it, you're going to make it happen. I feel like everybody has something that drives them. And some people may not even want to share what drives them. For some, it's to prove people wrong, right to prove people wrong. For some, it's to push themselves to see how far they can go. You're always fighting against yourself. What is it for you? What drives you to continue doing things, even when it's painful, even when you don't want to do it? Because it would be stupid to say that it's not a challenge for you when you go out and do these marathons anymore. Yeah, it's definitely a challenge with the whole Kova crisis that's hit us these days. A lot of us have questions, why do we keep going and what's actually out there for us? And a lot of us were going out there for the events and for the community and that connection. But really, it's about proving to ourselves who we are at times. But for me, a lot of it was just my mental clarity to keep going. And running has almost been my time to connect to myself and learn about myself. And over half of my creative ideas have come while running, like my most inspirational moments. What got me into running initially was actually a documentary by Billyang Films called Western Time. That's kind of what pushed me into the idea of going into the ultra world. And once I knew that existed, I really challenged myself to do the ultra marathon distances. But really, I needed a challenge to keep going. And a lot of times in our lives, we see what we can't do, and sometimes we forget on what we actually can do. And that was a mental shift for me to see. Well, why not you? Why can't I do this? And the adventure? The journey is always worth it. So I don't know what really drives me, but I always enjoy going places. And actually, a lot of times I meet people and get a chance to help them through this. So it is the community. I meet people of, like, mindlessness, but it's a nice discipline to keep my life stronger and mentally more healthy for doing these. But you got to love those views once you're in those mountains. And that's another thing, too, is exercise can be such an important role in someone's life who struggles with mental health. And so people out there who do struggle with mental health should be getting out there and exercising and moving. Whether that looks like a mile or that looks like 100 miles, we're all on a different path, but just getting out and moving and not putting yourself down for doing less than what you thought that you wanted to do. That's one thing about everyone sees, oh, I've run 100 miles. And it's been fun occasionally when people come into the door and they ask, What I do, I'm like, oh, I'm an ultra. And some people's eyes get really big. And like, What's your ultra marathon? It could be 5 miles. And those distances are very hard to run. You just run them differently, so everyone has their challenges. Everyone has their goals to reach. And just because it's 95 miles less doesn't mean it's any less impressive. Yeah. No, that's so true. Do you have a time in your running career, like, a favorite time of suffering, like a point in your career that you hit and you questioned what in the world you were doing, maybe that first moment when you really hit that wall. Yeah. So there is a race that always stands out to me. And it's my 1st 50 miles. It was a bit of a Sufferfest, but kind of what led into that was that 50 miles was just before my one marathon. I actually won. So leading into that, I had a really great first marathon. The next few kind of fell off in time, a little bit by little. And you kind of lose your motivation when you're like, oh, I've done this. I've lost the fear that drives me to better improvement. So I wanted a new challenge. And when I went into the 50 miles, I went into it very unprepared. I ran it like a marathon made almost every mistake in the book you can possibly make. So that race about halfway through, everything fell apart. And it wouldn't be the only time that it happened. But I really suffered climbing, walking, didn't want to keep going, really wanted to drop. So I sat at an aid station for 20 minutes or something. And then in my head, I started doing calculations of when I could actually get a ride back. And I realized I can walk and still beat them. So I was like, Why am I sitting here then? As long as I keep moving, I'm going to make it happen. And so I really have had that race in the very next race. I had those moments where I'm like, Why am I even doing this? This sucks. But that first race, that 50 miles. I learned so many lessons, especially personally, that just propelled me forward on the first one, of course, is just when you think it's hurting to the point where you don't want to go on is actually the time you really need to go on and push a little bit harder, because in your mind, you're now able to push through things and achieve things. You break the barrier, so to speak, that you couldn't before, and then the habit builds on itself. And eventually that was the case. And I did really well after that. I recently heard Gary Robbins say that people with poor memories make the best ultra marathon runners. Do you have a poor memory, Wyatt, or are you just strong mentally? Well, in some ways, I have a poor memory. I remember really what matters. And I think that's in life the same way you have to remember what truly matters. But at the same time, I am someone who just lays out my race kit and figures the calories out to the thing and then subtracts because I know everything's not quite perfect. Yeah. The funny thing is what led me into learning how to write and write race reports. In general, I have a very visual memory, so I can still probably tell you almost everything that happened on my 100 miles because they were very surreal moments for me. Very important moments to me. Do you find that helpful? I do it's nice when moving forward because you know how everyone hates the treadmill. I actually enjoy it at times because it lets me go back to those places or and sometimes remember what could happen. So I mental train on those something you don't really get the joy to do when you're running through the streets of Corda Lane and watching for a car here there, you have to be aware of what's around you. You don't let your mind go anywhere else. You were telling me earlier that the times that you go out and you run, those are the times when you come up with your ideas, your creative ideas. That's when your creativity comes alive. And I know you just mentioned that you are a writer and you have a magazine that's going to be coming out very soon called The Gritlife, right? Gritlife Magazine. So I'm pushing to make this happen. It's kind of hard to say when exactly it's going to come out. I'm hoping March. And when in March we'll see because it's a lot of work and I'm almost doing it all by myself. I have an editor to help make sure everything looks and reads smoothly. But, yeah, a lot of the articles I'm writing myself as of now, I'm looking into seeing who else, but it's a big challenge. The articles that I have written kind of came to me when I was running and a lot of them, the thing about running and sometimes, like other exercise, is you get a little mental space. The only thing that's important is moving forward. And then once you're doing that, then you have time to be relaxed and think of the things that you are. Otherwise, it's almost meditation in a way. So The Gritlife magazine is really a passion project of yours that you're working on. Similar to this podcast for myself. Yes, but that's really cool. He gave me a sneak peek on one of his articles that he's written, and it was just excellent. You're an excellent writer, Wyatt, and you have such a great ability of when you listen to a comedian and every single time they say something you're like, man, that is just so true. Everything they say is just so true and accurate, and you can relate to that. I could relate to what you wrote. And so I'm excited to see this magazine come out and see where it goes. And because it's such a passion of yours, definitely. I know that it's going to go somewhere, and I trust that you're going to go places. Well, I appreciate that. I'm hopeful, but I really want this magazine, like relating to the article you wrote. I mean, read, connect to people and give them that just little glimpse of hope and strength, because it's kind of the magazines about self growth and positive productivity and also giving back. So hopefully it helps people create that community, but also gives them a glimpse into how they can improve on themselves. So it's not a running magazine. I know you were telling me last week that there's already enough running magazines out there. There are. But the funny thing is, most people who have gone on really long runs together know you get a chance to really explore your vulnerability out there on the trails for long distances. It's almost a primal experience, if that's the right word. Yeah. So you get a chance to cut away all the things that are on your surface and really dig deeper. And that's kind of what I try and do with writing. And I've been practicing this writing with as much emotion and vulnerability as possible and really speak to what's important. That's why the running community is just so connective is because entering the pain cave with a group of people, you can relate with these people so well, you suffered together. You suffered together. Suffering together is the greatest connection, the greatest way to connect out there, I believe. Yeah. But it's also we suffered. But we got through this together. And there's that community of like, if we can get through this together, what else can we tackle? How can the discipline of running play a role in other aspects of your life? So typically, with most training, you really need to not be afraid to get out there. A lot of times, even the elites will admit that sometimes you really don't want to. You really don't want to get out there, especially when it's cold, like today. I'm not sure how cold it is there, but it's like 14 degrees this morning here. Yeah. We've had a major drop in temperature over the last few days, so I'm trying to get out there today, but I'm probably going to do that in a little bit here. Probably not long after this. So I'm making the effort creating a plan and taking a few moments to get out there and do what I really enjoy doing or in some cases, don't enjoy doing, but will once I finish it and then in writing in work, you know, you just have to take the time to look at it from a different perspective. Look at it as like this is getting me to a better place. Yeah. And the more you do it, the more you enjoy it or the more you find the ways you can enjoy it. Yeah. I was reading in this article that you shared with me that you wrote the discipline of getting up and exercising. If you can cultivate that discipline, that is a discipline that you can take into your life and use in other places in your life. Creating that mindset of doing something even when you don't want to do it is huge. And if you want to make it in life, if you want to do great things, you're not always going to be doing something that you want to do. In fact, there are many times where you will be doing something that you absolutely hate doing, but for your future, it's something that has to be done, and you have to put your head down and just plow forward. Yeah, in Running for me, it's those long, hard workouts. I would much rather be running Hills and slow steadys in my magazine side of things. As much as it seems like it, I'm not very fond of doing social media. I love talking to people. I love reaching out. I love building a community, but creating captions for images, which I love taking photos of is not my favorite thing. So I'm going to try and get a little help on that, but also just put my head down and figure it out. I can relate to you on that in some ways because this is sort of what I do for a living now. It's one of the aspects of what I do for a living. And so I have eight different social media platforms that I post on daily for people. And so my head is always in the social media world, and I just don't like it. It's not my favorite thing, and it's an aspect of the field that I'm in that just has to be done, and somebody's got to do it. So I do it. But I understand the struggle of just not wanting to do that, not being in that social media social media world. And man, we live in a time now, Wyatt, maybe a little bit of a change of subject, but we live in this time where everything that we want to know is at our fingertips. Everything is right here on our phones. And for most people, their phones are not further than about a couple of feet away from them. Right here's, my phone within Bluetooth distance. Yeah, it's within Bluetooth distance. But strangely enough, even though we have all this information, we're dealing with an overload on information and an overload on knowledge, and people can know so much or know about so much. But unless you take that step to actually move forward on something, all this knowledge is worthless, and I don't know what are your thoughts on technology in our society today? And maybe how damaging technology is in just getting things done in life. So it is kind of funny. I am a bit old fashioned in a lot of ways, but yeah, I enjoy the connectivity of it, but also it's distracting, and it really puts instant gratification right at our fingertips for our minds and what we want to do instead of reading a good book. And a lot of good books have been written to educate us, but we'd rather go watch. Well, look at Instagram or watch TikTok or whatnot. Youtube is still a great platform because you get information videos that people are putting. So information accessibility is right at our fingertips, which is awesome, but it's getting to the point where people are too connected to looking the resources that way instead of the experience of the people who went through it. Yeah. So true. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney, Peacock man, there are so many places now you have access to all of the television that you want to watch. And the idea of just sitting down and vegetating sounds so good for some people. At the end of the day, I earned this. I worked my nine to five, and now I've earned the time to just do nothing and essentially waste time. Yeah, there's a lot of wasted time in our society today. This is something that I've been struggling with on my own for myself because I feel as if I waste a lot of time and I probably waste way less time than most people. I mean, I run my own business over here. I put in a lot of hours, but I still catch myself wasting time when I could be working on the podcast, or I could be exercising and the excuse to not go outside and exercise because it's 900 at night and I'd rather be in my apartment. It's just an excuse, right? Yeah. A funny analogy is that we often use when people don't take care of themselves when running is that we'd rather spend 30 more minutes doing a run than five to ten minutes massaging our legs out, stretching and all that. So yeah, we waste a little all this time when we could just spend a fraction of it and be in a much better place. I definitely like the mental shut off, but you can get that out of exercise, out of reading, out of doing something else. So it's kind of changing our pathways to get a slightly better benefit or much better benefit. In this case. Are you an early bird? Do you get up early when I'm productive? I am. There are days like today. I slept in a little bit, but I don't know I can go between, but yeah, I'm definitely at my best when I get up early and I always feel better for doing so. What are your thoughts on cultivating the habit of getting up early? It's undeniable the benefits of getting up earlier rather than going to bed, and especially if you're getting up and you're getting moving. You know, you can always wait until after your coffee and then get a little drink, make sure you're hydrated in the morning, maybe even shower. But as long as you get up and get moving. Like I was mentioning in that article and start your day with a success. You're on a momentum path, and getting up early is the first tiny victory you get. But I often think it makes the mind a little more clear for having getting up just that little bit earlier, as opposed to sleeping in. I don't really like the concept of, oh, I'm a morning person or I'm a night owl because I feel like anybody can through their habits become a morning person or become a night person. It's sort of a choice that people make sometimes, maybe from a very young age. But it's something that you just get used to, and you just believe that you're not a morning person when in reality, getting up super early isn't always fun, even for morning people. Some people don't want to be getting up at 04:00 a.m. Or five, but yet they continue to do it because they know that it's a good habit to have. Absolutely. And especially when you're building towards something. The funny thing is, I often like, once a month or so. It hasn't happened in the last few months, but like to get up at the 300 hours and go for a run. No one is up, especially if it's a clear sky. Stars are out. It's amazing. It's a magical time in the morning. I don't do that very often, but when I do, I really enjoy it. That is so awesome. You have me beat Wyatt on the early morning. I can get up early, but I have been getting up at five these days. What a great habit to form in your life. And if you do form that habit, it's something that's going to benefit you in the future, for sure. The thing about getting up like that is it's your reminder to yourself that you're working towards something and a lot of us will sleep in not particularly for this reason, but through doing that, you get the chance to tell yourself, Well, I'm going to do something great today, and it kind of goes into what I this little tagline or slogan, so to speak, for the grit life that I've worked and actually came up with on a run as well. Why not? You believe that you're doing something, you're getting out there and creating a better world or a better future for yourself? I love that. Why not you? Yes. Once you start thinking of it, instead of looking at the challenges that are in your pathway, you can always say, are they really challenges or is it just an excuse I'm giving myself like, I want to do all these things. I'm a dreamer and I want to make a venture reality. Why can't I do you have anything that you do regularly, a habit, practicing some type of mindfulness in the morning or I don't know if you're religious at all, or maybe running is your mindfulness routine. It definitely can be. But often these days, my running has become my creativity time. But yeah, I do believe and have faith, and I realize how important that is, especially as time goes on and even outside of Church and all that that's the one thing is that you have to say things will work out. And I have seen Providence lead things together in ways I wouldn't have expected. And yeah, a lot of times that's where some of these thoughts and creativity come from. But as far as a routine, I'm a little bit too spontaneous to have a good routine, but that's totally fine. I let things fall into place and let the fire get hot randomly, and just when it does work it and really get the ideas out. So sometimes it's hard to have routine when inspiration hits you and you got to go with it. But yeah, getting up early and giving yourself more opportunities for them to come around definitely helps set yourself up for success. Yeah. Man, I can understand being a spontaneous person, but as I've grown and started my own business and done all these things, I've realized that as much as I love being spontaneous, there are times to be spontaneous. And then there's times where I really have to have a schedule and focus. Because when I have that schedule, having everything fall in line like that really helps me. And I overthink everything. I'm constantly overthinking everything. And so if I have it written down, if I have a plan, the plan can really set me up for success. Absolutely. Yeah. And just taking a few moments to come up with what you really want to do for the day helps. But I am seen as more of a spontaneous person than I actually am because a lot of times what becomes a spontaneous action was based on thoughts and figuring things out, researching for quite some time. I just found the time to do it and just jumped on it. It seems spontaneous to others. But to you, you've been on this for a while. I just don't talk about the crazy until I actually do it. There's something to be had. There something to be heard. There not talking about the crazy until you actually perform the crazy. Yes. The idea of creating a positive mindset and focusing on the positive in life I'm very passionate about. I always love to use the simple analogy of when you go out and you buy a car, let's say you buy a Toyota and all of a sudden that Toyota Four runner that you bought everybody, you notice all the other four runners on the road, but before you didn't see them, the thing is, I believe that things like happiness and success and all these things are already around us. And if you don't focus on those things, then you won't be cultivating those things in your life. You have to focus on the positive. And it's interesting because when you do start to focus on the positive, things just become better in your life. And it's so strange. It's so strange how something as simple as focusing on the positive could actually bring the positive into your life. Yeah. I've often said or have heard it said. Either way, success brings success. So being a more positive person or a successful in your traits or your habits automatically puts you in the pathway of the same kind of people. And in some ways, when we cultivate our own awareness, we start seeing those people or start being drawn to them. And their success drives our own. And we drive there. So it's kind of a chain. But once we're finally aware of the Toyota's on the road, then we have a little Toyota claim and going, you know what? I know that's so accurate. That's why it's so important to choose to hang out with people who are going to be positive and push you to do better and be better in life, because as you do that, those people are drawn to each other. Yeah. And that's kind of the other nice thing about the running community when we can finally meet again, there are a lot of similarities you start seeing amongst these ultra marathon runners, and I'd like to call them the stubborn and successful people, but it varies a lot, but a lot of them are actually doctors, nurses and people with very hard to get careers. And then there's people like myself that are the uncommon, but just push through it and have a very similar mindset to that. I just took a different path than they did. And I honestly think these ultra marathons are not as hard as people think they are. And that goes with a lot of things in life. They're not as hard as you think they are. It just takes a little bit of dedication and you have to want to do it. I can't even begin to understand what doing 100 miles ultra marathon run is like, I can't begin to understand that. But I did this ever challenge, and I look back and like, I under trained. Everybody told me that there's no way you're going to be able to do this. It took me 28 hours a it was slog, but at the end, other than a slight bit of pain in my right knee, I was good to go. And the next day I was out shaking it off. And so in my mind, Everest challenge wasn't that big of a deal other than just like it taking so long. And now my goal is okay. How can I do this in a shorter amount of time? How can I better prepare for this for the next time? And, you know, funny thing between my first marathon and the one I finally one was, they were almost the same in my mindset. I realized I had a lot to learn the two in between that I kind of got a mindset of like, oh, I've done a marathon, but you always have to go into these things with a student mindset. You're always learning, and there's always something you can learn each and every day. And if you don't go into it and think I've done this, then you start losing the benefit from each run, and you close yourself off from truly being a master. I wanted to ask you on this podcast while we were talking is there just maybe one thing that you could share with us, maybe something that you did learn from a mistake somewhere along the way, something that sticks out in your mind in running or just in general, in running specifically, unless you want to share in general, too, I'll take whatever you got, my friend. Well, in running, I suppose the one thing I learned for fueling was always carry good water and take care of yourself with that. But yeah, the one thing I did learn was that you can never take good enough care of yourself because a lot of people use those thinner shoes because you get a better spring off and all this. I go for cushion. I go for what's between me. So I'm protecting my feet and protecting my knees, and then I do the same for my energy, my hydration. I keep myself cool or warm, and I'll risk being a little bit too warm rather than being too cold. So ultimately, the next day, I'm a lot fresher, and it's made a huge difference. Even though my 1st 100 miler was by far my fastest. Every other 100 miles I did, I could literally run within a couple of days after that and be fine. So I just didn't destroy myself. Once your body knows what that is like. It's really easy to come back to bounce back from 100 miles. It can be, but it's more about I didn't under hydrate. I took the time to take care of my legs properly, make sure my feet weren't hurting. And eventually those things added up, as opposed to the first time where I kind of suffered in the wrong ways. Do you tend to fuel with food, or are you more of, like, get your sugars and your salts and your water and your hydration in? And that's about it. So the longer the event, the slower, the more real food I can eat. But the stress of the run eventually gets to you. So you have to start going simpler and simpler. But yeah, hydration first. And then it is one of those things where you don't want to eat eventually. So yeah, you do have to schedule your eating and eat like it's your job. Yeah. A lot of them say that you have to eat like it's your job and take care of yourself and running in life, you have to take care of yourself like that's the first thing that matters. And then everything. Once you have your base down, everything goes good from there. Well, for the people out there who are interested in learning more about why it's a journey. You are actually a personal trainer as well, aren't you? Yeah. I actually just launched this year a coaching business through my website, which is why gosshorn. Com. I made it super simple. Yeah, I'm offering to help people run and train, and I'd like to do so in a more holistic approach. But yeah, I want to help people. So I made a site where I can do that. I highly recommend everybody go check out Wyattgoshorn. Com, and he's got a bunch of content on there or some content on there. He's got a list of all of his achievements and hit Wyatt up. He's got a place on there where you can contact him and have a conversation with him. But, yeah, Wyatt's a very inspirational person in closing for the episode. Do you have one last thing that you'd like to share with our listeners? Maybe it could be a bit of running advice or life advice. Whatever comes to your mind, I think we covered a lot, especially what I emphasized most, which is taking care of yourself and something I'm working on, trying to write out in words, which is give yourself the opportunity as opposed to seeing life for its challenges. See it for what all it could be. Sometimes there are things in my life where I'm like, oh, this might not go so well, but I'm like, let's just do it anyway. Let's take care of it because I know it's something that eventually might turn out better than I expected. So whenever you can, when you start having those mindsets of all this could suck you like, could it or could it be something really great? Push forward all the same. Yeah. And always be thankful because life has given us a lot. And the people around us deserve to be thanked and so they can be seen. You know, some people just forget to thank those around them, which I really emphasize, an attitude of gratitude. Always be thankful. What a great place to end this episode. Wyatt, thank you for being here on the Simply Overcoming Podcast. Taking the time and for the listeners out there. Thank you for continuing to listen to the podcast. Our long form content is continuing to grow and our listener base is continuing to grow. And I just want to say thank you for continuing to be involved. Support us. You can find us on Instagram at the Simply Overcoming Podcast. You've can find us on Facebook at Simply Overcoming Podcast. And, yeah, hit us up. 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